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Nico
Madysa

now well. the Images loading is means clarified.

now haue I here time simply so ask into, to see, what then happens:

- If you whom Anfängern save want, several Opportunities to have,
Why there Window Style? you have one Listing over the Calling the API.
this is plenty universeller einsetzbar. You want whom Anfängern API save?
Why have you got the Listing at all installed?

- You want it whom Anfängern slight make? Why map You then (whether now or
later, is wurscht) such fabulous simple command How LoadBMP(plainer
GEHTS not!) To killen? The whole thing with Handles is DEFinitiv komplizierter.

- You want it whom Anfängern save, two ways for the same thing To learn?
what shall then Create(Text) and DrawText?
what shall then %MouseKey and %MousePressed?
sure, there's differences. but are so slight, that one
both things in one pack can!

- You betonst The Modernität of XProfan. Why killst You things, on them
The people hang? Why DEF-functions lane, Why wend lane,
Why &(1), %(2), $(%schiessmichtotwasnoch) lane? have you got Schonmal
over LETend or @end thought? Zugegeben, there's too
advocate the @, but it watts NIE suggested, the LET To killen?
and rem? what, to that Geier again, is with rem? who remt nowadys
yet?! you have still so a tollen Präprozessor for Compiler,
Dou you mean the operates itself on Translate$(row$,wend,endwhile) dead?
Meinst You the Parameterstack becomes so often uses, that the Wegfall
which the Compilieren circa 50% verringert?

Puh, now Have I again doller fussed, as i wished(Nico tick from 2)
I hope earnestly, that me for nobody angry his becomes.

Greeting, Nico

Nico Madysa

<offtopic>Zunächst would I you requests your tone something To rethinking.</offtopic>

GDL

Hello Nico,

is still integrally simply, we stay hold then with XProfan10.I find it too stupid, the familiar things again umgewurstelt go.

Hello
Georg

Windows7 Xprofan 8,9,10 [...]

[...]

RGH

some Answer:

[quote:28b1a698ec=Nico Madysa]- If you whom Anfängern save want, several Opportunities to have,
Why there Window Style? you have one Listing over the Calling the API.
this is plenty universeller einsetzbar. You want whom Anfängern API save?
Why have you got the Listing at all installed?[/quote:28b1a698ec]
in the first do not have I, separate Stephan the Listing installed and secondly is the Helpfile (and naturally XProfan) not only for Beginner, separate naturally too for advanced and Freaks. XProfan should any address. it should means furthermore without API-studies possible his, with XProfan to program. but one API-Kwenner should neither limited his, these Kenntnis To benefit. naturally could one z.B. too OpenGL only through API program. nevertheless have I I attempts, it too for Beginner plainer (uznd faster) To make possible!
[quote:28b1a698ec] - You want it whom Anfängern save, two ways for the same thing To learn?
what shall then Create(Text) and DrawText?[/quote:28b1a698ec]
the are two completely different things. the a is a Control and the others malt whom Text on the screen.
[quote:28b1a698ec] what shall then %MouseKey and %MousePressed?
sure, there's differences. but are so slight, that one
both things in one pack can![/quote:28b1a698ec]
even not. for either there different Anwendungsfälle.
[quote:28b1a698ec] - You betonst The Modernität of XProfan. Why killst You things, on them
The people hang?[/quote:28b1a698ec]
any people hang always on irgendwelchen things. The alternative would, quite nothing To change.
[quote:28b1a698ec]have you got Schonmal over LET end or @end thought?[/quote:28b1a698ec]
On the @ and the LET can already since etlichen versions dispense.

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4

Nico
Madysa

OK, excuse, i was again something doller fussed, as i his might, if I what write. ;(
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How said Horst Evers yet? If I former drunk to dwell coming, Have I another little with the percolator spoken, but then was Schluss. If I today drunk - there can I yet with the whole world communicate. and this is not well...
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[quote:942c5276f6]On the @ and the LET can already since etlichen versions dispense.[/quote:942c5276f6]
but you have yet never angekündigt, it complete To killen. in the Contrast To wend.(I geb not

)

[quote:942c5276f6]in the first do not have I, separate Stephan the Listing installed and secondly is the Helpfile (and naturally XProfan) not only for Beginner, separate naturally too for advanced and Freaks. XProfan should any address. it should means furthermore without API-studies possible his, with XProfan to program. but one API-Kenner should neither limited his, these Kenntnis To benefit. naturally could one z.B. too OpenGL only through API program. nevertheless have I I attempts, it too for Beginner plainer (uznd faster) To make possible!
[/quote:942c5276f6]
OK, point for you.

[quote:942c5276f6]the are two completely different things.[/quote:942c5276f6]
with the same Result. both zaubern Text on the screen. and there Create(Text) integral universeller is as DrawText(no StartPaint necessary), should to your Logik, DrawText soon wegfallen.

[quote:942c5276f6]The alternative would, quite nothing To change.[/quote:942c5276f6]
No, only the beliebte stuff drin let. If one film end the first month's still money without end einbringt, becomes it still certainly a second week walk.

[quote:942c5276f6]first of all would I you requests your tone something To rethinking[/quote:942c5276f6]
Have I. over again excuse.

Nico Madysa

RGH

[quote:7d66d92357=Nico Madysa]OK, excuse, i was again something doller fussed, as i his might, if I what write. ;( [/quote:7d66d92357]
excuse adopted!

[quote:7d66d92357][quote:7d66d92357]On the @ and the LET can already since etlichen versions dispense.[/quote:7d66d92357]
but you have yet never angekündigt, it complete To killen. in the Contrast To wend.[/quote:7d66d92357]
that's right. the depends so together, that both intern still used becomes.
LET: an Programmzeile exists intern (in compilierten Bytecode) now time from commands and Parameters (or of/ one function). even if in the program in Anlehnung on BASIC the LET omitted can, becomes it at reading into Interpreter or. Compiler automatically again eingefügt, so any Lines of interpreter and compiler same treats go can. through one forbidden the LET could I means not a row in the code conserve. (additionally relieved the LET The Übernahme of Basic-Source code from Dialekten, The not without LET auskamen ... but this is sooner secondary.) though would it sure appropriate, the LET streng from whom Examples in the Help Remove.
@: here's it furthermore so, that Interpreter and Compiler faster a function discern, for the tempo the finished EXE power it though none Difference, because in the compiliertzen Bytecode go The functions furthermore through one @ marked. here would it sure a Discussion worth, whether one it künftig from whom Examples in the Documentation hinausnimmt and only yet hereon hinweist, that one it use can. One gänzliches forbidden would here no technical advantages bring.
REM: too this becomes intern akin, so that one omit technical too nothing bring. in the Source use I it though neither More. one could it in the Help for may part too omit.

[quote:7d66d92357][quote:7d66d92357]the are two completely different things.[/quote:7d66d92357]
with the same Result. both zaubern Text on the screen. and there Create(Text) integral universeller is as DrawText(no StartPaint necessary), should to your Logik, DrawText soon wegfallen.[/quote:7d66d92357]
the is correct unfortunately not integrally. technical is it one himmelweiter Difference, whether I Pixel male or one Control create. One Control is with CLS not deleted, with DrawText painted Pixel already. with StartPaint -1 can I of course with DrawText on The Memorybitmap draw, but one Control is there you don't say so. Perhaps ought to I in the Help deutlicher on The differences eingegen.

[quote:7d66d92357][quote:7d66d92357]The alternative would, quite nothing To change.[/quote:7d66d92357]
No, only the beliebte stuff drin let.[/quote:7d66d92357]
but this is even Geschmacksache. there finds eachone what other, what it likes!
Also: some sooner generally beliebte things (as well as z.B. WEND) go Yes of internen Präcompiler transformed and keep to these point Yes receive, even if tappt im dunkeln in the Doku not any more come along. presently there none technical reason, the Präcompiler the WEND abzugewöhnen, means becomes it ausa Kompatibilitätsgründen for middle-aged Hasen receive stay, during in the Help for Neueinsteiger The logischere Syntax While-EndWhile / Proc-ENDPROC / Paint-EndPaint / Select-EndSelect / If-EndIf / etc. described becomes.
BTW: the WEND would well eh only people miss, The of BASIC since come. PASCAL-fans would sooner find fault with, that not everywhere one simple END ausreicht, ... ;)

for any: One turn off the internen Präcompilers is presently not planned!
(and in the Help is in the attachment Überholte command and functions too aufgeführt, what the Präcompiler everything umsetzt.)

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4

Rolf
Koch

[quote:54c0f18e47]the WEND would well eh only people miss, The of BASIC since come. PASCAL-fans would sooner find fault with, that not everywhere one simple END ausreicht[/quote:54c0f18e47]
no Sorry Roland:
too old Profaner go it miss. I Have with Profan started and there was is hold always WEND till lately

Nico
Madysa

[quote:e04dac9db0]PASCAL-fans would sooner find fault with, that not everywhere one simple END ausreicht, ...[/quote:e04dac9db0]
I advocate the wend have ls first Language Delphi learnt.

i think, we've here NEN good Kompromiss gefudnen.
teh folks things stay drin, but go not any more in the Help erwähnt.

And if then sometime in 70 years, any, The wend use, died are can you(sooner your successor) it rausnehmen.
...OK, sooner one langfristiger suggestion.

I hope, is too for Parameterstack count.

so would The thing glücklicherweise clarified, thanks!

Nico Madysa

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to that Parameterstack: Roland should it rausnehmen if it the XProfan lähmt! Beautiful would But if one whom Parameterstack (who has the word eigendlich for benannt?? is still eigendlich wrong or??) but nevertheless use could - because Roland it emuliert. is then of course Perhaps something slower - but mere from the Syntax is the PStack one nice feature!

RGH

[quote:122783130b=iF]to that Parameterstack: Roland should it rausnehmen if it the XProfan lähmt! Beautiful would But if one whom Parameterstack (who has the word eigendlich for benannt?? is still eigendlich wrong or??) but nevertheless use could - because Roland it emuliert. is then of course Perhaps something slower - but mere from the Syntax is the PStack one nice feature![/quote:122783130b]
what whom Parameterstack concerns: here be I yet on the experiment, as technical seen so weitergeht. The Bezeichnung stammt incidentally of me, because intern objectively one Parameterstack existing, on the even by the functions !(n), %(n), $(n) and &(n) zugegriffen becomes. and these functions get even for Definition of functions with DEF created.
but no fear: In XProfan 11 becomes the everything still function, even if it probably not any more in the Help come along becomes. (Well, the Info, that it in past Profanversionen so was, becomes naturally drinstehen, so the reader too yet old Profancodes understand can.)

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4

RGH

[quote:c822460566=Nico Madysa]And if then sometime in 70 years, any, The wend use, died are can you(sooner your successor) it rausnehmen.[/quote:c822460566]
i think time, in 70 years (or presumably already explicit former) becomes it almost no the present Programmiersprachen More give, there by then The computer and its architecture so differently his becomes, that Today Technologien, Denkweisen and Vorgehensweisen simply not any more validly are ...

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4

Nico
Madysa

Nunja, if the Parameterstack remaining, be I Yes relieved.

Nico Madysa

11/30/06 ▲