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OK - means I try time To explain Why Units sehrwohl a crazy thing are - or How I tappt im dunkeln see. I say but too one to that Vorfallthread.

Units are a bit fertiger code, quasi View source on the one itself gedanklich leave can should. The View source is thereby to see as working, or quite to that strain.

Units having too whom benefit - and Yes now comes again the program To Vorschein which I ausschliesslich with the XProfanprogrammierung not missen can (xpse) - the ebend this whom Source not anew Parsen must, what indeed ne Speedfrage is.

Units are as something say we ähm - Yes what Konstantes. one should itself not at all on the Source of/ one Unit More concentrate must - simply use - glücklichwerden. this is with Includes in the didn't so.

I mean - clear - here weicht The Theroie from the practice ex. clear can my the Units with Source hardly a Difference present To Includes. i think but this is not so, or. ought to not so his.

I can in example simply a Include post - into Babyklappe throwing to the Motto friß or stirb - and eachone should itself intense with the Source explain in order to know what it expects.

with Units ists differently - there becomes plenty More Obacht of Author vorrausgesetzt - the User should ausschlieslich anhand the Doku whom command (semi)blind credit can. it'll one quasi seelische Last abgenommen. sometimes can it even of benefit his whom Unitsource not mitzuliefern - from selbigem reason.

therefore count within Units too particular regulate. one must already on vielerlei pay attention. One gemeines example graceful? an function The of/ one Listbox one Floatwert as String hinzufügt could one z.B. with Str$ force whom as Parameter übergebenen Float by Addstring To Send. now must the User from the Unit expect can the there too objectively the complete Floatwert landed! is the worth z.B. 10.1, ought to 10.1 therein disembark. now has the Unitnutzer but supra in the source Set(Decimals,0) association. what happens? in the list landed 10.

here's The question - wished the User the or not?! would be this at all a function which Unitgeeignet is - without as additional param whether to decimals gerunded becomes?!

this is only one einziges example. Similar behave it itself with all others Schaltern How FileMode & Co. too ask How can arrays verbraten go or globale variables or can reaches global dimensioniert go etc can of entscheidener weight for Unitqualität present.

xpse respect on some such Spielereien. but too whether one z.B. just forget has ?_ to a Proc To write! and the happens with large units! one power Error - alike How geübt. and because something like not only in Units happens separate in each Source I had still whom xpse made up! for me! so my programs rather are - what about me not so plenty hoisted at develop have.

but the was now one Exkurs - wished only say - i will niemanden To xpse force - but let it us testing. I bet simply 95% not-XPSE codes point Error on which of XPSE found go. what about me speech not of incorrect Fehlern. clear power xpse too Error but More as that I constantly ready be these To eliminating goes unfortunately not.

That the Syntax - hm nuja this is so one thing - have already right.

I personally likes on the all all dearest The C Syntax. PHP uses The half-way too. unfortunately has but the Pascalsyntax to the C Syntax too one two features which very useful are!

One example - and we weg now time of nem riesenProgramm from - not of a Dreizeiler.

I have ne Variable, say we a&. a& becomes on many many to put compared. means can I altogether Source eifnach search (strg+f) to a&== (or. a==), or - I Search where a& staid becomes - simply with a&:=

the bring a uncanny strategischen benefit - whom one Perhaps as (hrm I say time Beginner) not so understand can but hey, I progg still now already since 20 years lol - I count means not.

so there hold Finessen which I with XProfan miss - but eigendlich not XProfan - separate thereby if I with XProfan program. I wills me simply plainer make.

there's hold items The having itself bewährt - and items are less interestingly. is still clear that I me from of my visibility lovely items in XPSE einbaue. and How You already correctly. erkannst have - its Yes always everything optional. as well as The Use the XPSE optional is.

in the besagtem Thread but went it from of my visibility yet for a couple others items. unfortunately - what about me can only say unfortunately - be I to that silence damn - not about of person X - separate of me self. I should items abandon which Perhaps my Reaktionen in that rights light back would - but I would too The persönlchkeitsrechte injure. and the a) wants and b) can I,may I not.

I can only therefore Please To believe that I not simply so lapidar me angep*sst feel only because of/ one whom xpse not uses lol. No this is nonsense - really! it deals itself here circa a very very special drop. and even if Thomas me stupid come is - i'll not here present Why particularly it here completely moreover clutched has. cost it for may part that here who believes I be in the Unrecht - the must I inkauf take, unfortunately.

i'll but furthermore ausschliesslich with the small XPSE XProfanprogramme write - I have decided the it differently not really for me of benefit is. I buddle my experience with me self - with the Programming ansich - and whom Sources of others with one. what about me be utterly of it convincing the it one Qualitätsmerkmal darstellt.

If now someone derhkommt and real - realitätsnahen Examples aufzeigt (and the can only someone his the at least as much with XProfan program How I) the it with XProfan on my own without xpse qualitativere Codes gives - then be I one Dummkopf the on xpse hängenbleiben becomes because it not differently can.

and circa it abzuschliessen, i'm glad the Thomas no Member More here's. naturally ists pity circa its Ergebniskraft - but before I here The scots solid make because me the neck anschwillt because of Things The I not verlauten must - ists think I for all here rather if itself one einzelner auflöst - instead of everything.

I have me of/ one individual person here from the Community diesbezüglich anvertraut - these white where the wind herrührt. is of course now floppy To insist that I More as only understanding for my reaction of demjenigen have - but its no lie.

The letztendliche injustice will be the important Members How z.B. Roland on me something like How mad his can. i know too the it nothing bring To say the it even very differently around his should - but How said - i'll it to that protections the kompletten Community inkauf take - therefore my consequence.

01/26/07 ▲

Nachtrag: naturally is it for XProfan exorbitant:

Compile Mark Separation

!

long myProc(int a,int b,long c) {

    whileloop 50 {

        ifnot loop==30 {continue} else {andreproc}

    }

    return a*b*c

}

but hey, xpse kanns what about me mags. *g*

01/26/07 ▲

RGH

[quote:e341d23d1a=iF]... the important Members How z.B. Roland on me something like How mad his can.[/quote:e341d23d1a]
No afraid, rather David, even if I (sooner erfolglos) attempts have, mässigend into Discussion einzugreifen, have I do not whom geringsten reason, on you mad To his.
i think, under erwachsenen Humans must itself gelegentliche inhaltliche differences not the personal Relationship work out!

Greeting
Roland

BTW: The the Öfteren vorgebrachte statement, in the XProfan-Help would XProfan.com on none place erwähnt, is correct not integrally. here the Einführungstext To chapter 3.3 (XPrfofed):

The development of XProfed is however yet long not completed and so rewards it itself on the Homepage the of XProfan-manufacturers independent XProfan-Community vorbeizusurfen, circa in the dortigen XProfed-Forum to new versions, extensions or verbesserter Scintilla-DLL for XProfan Ausschau To hold.
XProfed basiert on of/ one Editorklasse to Scintilla-DLL Thomas Schulz and using The of David iF Strutz on XProfan angepaßte Version the Scintilla-DLL.

The both unterstrichenen left lead directly To XProfan.com!

and who The offizielle XProfan-Page finds and there on Forums clicking, finds The XProfan-Community on prominenter place. (its plainer of XProfan.de to XProfan.com To gelangen as inverse. ;) )

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@Roland
[quote:1afa2ebc53]and who The offizielle XProfan-Page finds and there on Forums clicking, finds The XProfan-Community on prominenter place. (its plainer of XProfan.de to XProfan.com To gelangen as inverse. )[/quote:1afa2ebc53]
...and therefore Have I on of my HP both left on of/ one Page vereint

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[quote:887684b381=RGH]i think, under erwachsenen Humans must itself gelegentliche inhaltliche differences not the personal Relationship work out!

Greeting
Roland[/quote:887684b381]
above it be I glad.

[quote:887684b381=RGH](its plainer of XProfan.de to XProfan.com To gelangen as inverse. ;) )[/quote:887684b381]
ash on my hWnd.

I Have already ne idea How I this Umstand entgegenwirken can...

GDL

and to my Motherboardcrash be I with new board again there.the old has simply at PC on dismisses.
hope that here now again Friede einkehrt.

Hello
Georg

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01/28/07 ▲

Nico
Madysa

How beautiful, that again everything Friede, joy Eierkuchen is!

@iF: even if I these secret Reasons not know (this is the first time, that The deference the privacy larger is as my curiosity!), can I it now so explicit rather understand. it shining so, as though You objectively too only a man are.

Topic XPSEntax(This will definitiv my nächstes word the week

):
the it your Syntax is, the you rather gefällt, disturbing me not. problematically becomes it for me only, if You Source in this Syntax postest. clear, that You on your Page the right have, To write, How You want.
but i think, the power The thing for not-XPSEler not plainer. therefore ought to slow, but sure, The development one XPSE -- mere-XProfan -- Übersetzers begin or go on. because particularly the are missing of Postfixen disturbing whom Lesefluss (at least for me) right terrific.
Nunja, make a long story short: The improvement the Translation in mere-XProfan ought to m.M.n. something importent his, as The Weiterentwicklung the XPSE self (Bugfixing except!).

Thmea Units:
I hope, I have your mail so understood, How You it understood having wanted. so, How I it understood have, are for you Units moreover there, that they simply eiingesetzt and be then too walk and because of the Unbekanntheit the functions in each drop a Doku require.
now must Doku neither straight useful his. so are The automatically erstellten Aids of XPSE now not straight ... bulkily.
and too of Includes ought to one expect can, that they simply functions, if one tappt im dunkeln uses.

If I so moreover consider falls me in the direction no others Solution one, as The Standarts the Units (partly) on The Includes To strain. because of course can in Includes possible Error touch up, but the has one then only for itself done. Also must the User whom Error then first find. therefore ought to before, whether of Author or of someone anderem guaranteeing go, that the code the does, what it should. this is really one verzwicktes trouble...
i think here ought to through common Überlegen another Kompromiss between safety, that the code runs, and einfachem release for Author found go.

Greeting Nico

Nico Madysa

01/31/07 ▲

Dietmar
Horn

[quote:3198c01d05]therefore ought to slow, but sure, The development one XPSE -- mere-XProfan -- Übersetzers begin or go on.[/quote:3198c01d05]
simply into Eingabezeile (z.B.the utterly Commander) prompt:

xpse xpsemischmasch.prf

thereafter find You a xpsemischmasch.enh, which whom reinen XProfan-code contains and the You only yet to xpsemischmasch2.prf rename need (z.B. with Invoice values + F6 in the utterly Commander). so make I the already of beginning on, and the works always. in the next Version the XProfan-manager 2007 becomes it for even a Extra-exhaust give, so You you at Eintippen the many letters not inadvertently a nodes in your delicate Fingerlein make and How dwelt too for your gewohnte Click-you-thick-Vorgehensweise with the mouse benefit can.

XPSE yourself is means already one XPSE2XPRF-code-Translator!

therefore find I the ständige Gejaule and Gemeckere because of iFs code-Postings slow puerile ...

Greeting
Dietmar

The Eulen-Uhu in your Signatur has unfortunately still n Matschauge
you are still not about one heimlicher Tierquäler???

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01/31/07 ▲

yet plenty plainer! in the XPSE The Button s pressing, it'll immediate the source viewed.

01/31/07 ▲

Dietmar
Horn

[quote:b3900d189e]so are The automatically erstellten Aids of XPSE now not straight ... bulkily.
and too of Includes ought to one expect can, that they simply functions, if one tappt im dunkeln uses.[/quote:b3900d189e]
Erwartungen and have Forderungen to put kannste, so much You want. whether you these Erwartungen or Forderungen however eachone Author (and what's more free) erfüllen becomes or. would like, the standing on one integrally others leaf written. because finally is straight the program Yes not straight with a unerheblichen Zeitaufwand joined. eachone Programmieranfänger ought to first time glad above his, that it at all soviele Free Tools and Hilfestellungen for XProfan gives. too XProfan yourself is Yes really already so well How as gift, if one time Preisvergleiche with others Programmiersprachen anstellt.

moreover ought to some poster (so my I naturally not first line Nico) occasionally too time deliberating, that behind XProfan.com no firm with riesigem Finanzkapital standing, separate that any Mitwirkenden your Engagement in ours Community in the free time and honorary (means without Honorar) operate!

but everything ought to one of my opinion to one Programmer or. Programmieranfänger neither straight take off and it not constantly everything so far in mundgerechte morsel vorkauen, that it only yet whom Autorennamen in the Copyrigtvermerk the Source code to exchange need. to that learn there enough and to spare demonstration-Source code, Tutorials and other Hilfestellungen, particularly here in the Community.

without Eigeninitiative, own cogitate and selbständiges develop of Algorithms becomes the längerfristig anyhow nothing with the Erlernen the Programmierens - alike in which Programming-Language!

with integrally concrete Fragestellungen To Units, them only a automatically of XPSE erstellte Textdatei beiliegt, become You here guaranteeing of each Author or of others Members further Notes and Hilfestellungen (mostly even ergänzenden Demos) receive. where see You there a problem?

we should instead glad above his, that Unit-Authors your mostly first of all first once for itself developed Solutions the general public at least in this shape available to put. The alternative would, that such fix and finished Solutions not yet once in this shape available ständen, or the author its Problemlösung only against hard Euronen herausrücken would, if it To eachone yet so small Unit too yet with riesigem Zeitaufwand a umfangreiche Helpfile create ought to.

These thoughts kannste 1 : 1 on DLLs transfer. for the DLLs there even a INC- and PH-Generator of Andreas Miethe. both programs are in the XPIA-pkg thereby and even in the XProfan-manager integrate.

who with such minimalen DLL- or Unit-Hilfestellungen utterly not clear comes, the ought to itself rather first of all time yourself something intensiver with the Erlernen the Grundlagen the Programmierens keep busy (z.B. with APIs). but too XProfan bid of dwell from Yes already a crowd Hilfestellungen, with them most gängigen (but too fortgeschritteneren) Programmierprobleme resolved go can.

this lane Although zeitaufwändiger as the ständige copy vorgekauter Solutions another Authors (alike whether in shape of Units, DLLs or INCs). The wage the trouble exists then längerfristig however therein, that it for dedicated Programmieranfänger sometime so well How nothing more gives, what it itself by degrees not yourself program could (too with XProfan).

for the actual Entry into Programming there sufficient Hilfestellungen (z.B. XProfan.com or our MMJ-Programmierkurse). with yourself hats Yes on this ways too functions, or? but to Help to that find the Einstiegs, means to Help to Selbsthilfe, goes it then without Eigeninitiative not any more integral moreover, sofern the learner not forever and ever only on the Primitiv-level pause would like, where it solely therefore goes, that constantly only one Control or Bitmap to the others in its Programs prepares or. displayed becomes.

Greeting
Dietmar

... the itself always diebisch above freut, if it his zweiter Lieblings-Nico with its Postings regularly such lovely Steilvorlagen supply, so it its Hörnchen-opinion and -thoughts here unterbringen can ...

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02/01/07 ▲

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Nico
Madysa

sure created XPSE too real Source, white I still, i'm still no beginner More. It's all right me More around the code, the here in the Forum posted becomes. there goes it finally vornehmlich circa Lesbarkeit, and there's the automatically begot code not absolutely suitable.

with ought to one expect can, that they simply functions relating I on iF:
[quote:0b3b113d50]one should itself not at all on the Source of/ one Unit More concentrate must - simply use - glücklichwerden. this is with Includes in the didn't so.[/quote:0b3b113d50]
I could Dietmar spontan ask: Why is with the Includes not so?
If I a Include-File use, Why have I then not the right, To expect, that they too functions?

[quote:0b3b113d50]without Eigeninitiative, own cogitate and selbständiges develop of Algorithms becomes the längerfristig anyhow nothing with the Erlernen the Programmierens[/quote:0b3b113d50]
Why then at all Units and Includes offered? tappt im dunkeln disturbing then still only the Erlernen the Programmierpsrache. If of/ one a problem has, can it itself then report and a couple zweideutige Notes get

.

sure can here niemanden To something zwingen; but wozu then the whole at all? one can a Unit reinstellen and itself forward - but what has the for a sense, if one not The then
einfliegende/n review/Verbesserungsvorschläge come in wants?

i will here means of niemandem desires, that it its Codes rather writes - separate I hope, To achieve, that eachone self it of itself desires.

Nico Madysa

02/02/07 ▲