XProfan

Frank
Abbing

The Parameterstack should lane? I find, The amount Parameter should sooner aufgestockt go.
Def-functions (einzeilige, Own functions) lane? as long as The Dll-Funktionsaufrufe not concerned are - me alike.
Wend? ex so. very How Let and @.

Rolf
Koch

I faith this is hold Ansichtssache. I befürworte WEND and Parameterstack u.s.w. (clear the LET ought to even lane).
but I custom never terrific OGL - because of me lane so *lol* - no was only one Joke, so one sees, How individually The Ansichten are.
is hold Real extreme pity, that many in hunderten Codes encompassed command wegfallen.

Jac
de
Lad

means there's Yes now already some programs, How my ModernXProfan, but too others good pieces, The teh folks Commands in The new umsetzen. If me finally someone explain could, How I XPrfEdit-Plugins write (I had the number of times angefragt, but yet never a erklärende response receive) would it one children's play a Präcompiler To kreieren, the everything contains, what wish. From therefore can as far as I'm concerned everything out, what XProfan schlanker and faster power!

Jac

Profan² 2.6 bis XProfan 11.1+XPSE+XPIA+XPRR (und irgendwann XIDE)
Core2Duo E8500/T2250, 8192/1024 MB, Radeon HD4850/Radeon XPress 1250, Vista64/XP

RGH

[quote:839ef8c758=Frank Abbing]The Parameterstack should lane? I find, The amount Parameter should sooner aufgestockt go.[/quote:839ef8c758]
with Parameterstack my I the Access to The Parameter over $(n%), %(n%), &(n&) and !(n%).
an increase the Parameterzahl is in the doing for next Version angedacht. I have so a idea, How one without a Begrenzung the amount get along could. The Hauptfrage thereby is naturally, How performant the then becomes. but for the time being map I first time something interval one, circa me to the Release of XProfan 10 now others liegengebliebenen Things and the Famile zuzuwenden. (Well, so integrally I will The fingers not of it let can and something herumexperimentieren ...)

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4

RGH

[quote:755fddaa63=Nico Madysa]Verwerfen:
- LET-Variablenzuweisung
- @ to functions
- $O, there Yes well nobody Operators switch off would like[/quote:755fddaa63]
These items are so already his many versions not any more necessary! and $O is already for a long time completely wirkungslos and becomes just überlesen.

Greeting
Roland

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Dietmar
Horn

[quote:c13de5b9d4]OK, what Roland here on the a or others place erwähnt has, what in Bälde everything wegfallen should, the let me a chilly shower herunterlaufen.
therefore hope I, I do not the only be, the itself on of a or others place wish, that something Veraltetes moreover geduldet becomes.
therefore Please I you now time, The subesquent two ask To answer:
what can eurer opinion to lane? what want your keep?[/quote:c13de5b9d4]
Hello Nico,

my bescheidene opinion To your Lines:

These both ask (including the Answer hereon) go presumably first of all quite nothing big effect, except evtl. a further Thread with -zig pages!

integrally simply therefore, because the Ansichten the User in dependence of it, How long eachone with which (X)Profan-Version already program, always so different his go, as Ansichten over the actually weather on each x-beliebigen day one x-beliebigen year during one x-beliebigen Jahrhunderts since Christi birth.

i'd or. would like therefore first of all following ask here in whom space to put want:

[box:c13de5b9d4] which group of XProfan-Programmierern should The of Roland prospective mapped Grausamkeiten because which advantages bring?

whom higher Nutzwert had The Programming-Language XProfan to the Verwirklichung such Grausamkeiten through Roland as Author for users (means for Programmer, the its Applications with XProfan prepares)?

which advantages go The with XProfan erstellten windows-programs to the realization the angekündigten Roland-Grausamkeiten the integrally normalen users such XProfan-programs bring?[/box:c13de5b9d4]

from of my diction (z.B. by the usage the Begriffes Grausamkeiten) might eachone reader this Lines already my personal opinion to the of Roland mapped Changes erahnen can ...

Greeting
Dietmar

Multimedia für Jugendliche und junge Erwachsene - MMJ Hoyerswerda e.V. [...]

Windows 95 bis Windows 7
Profan² 6.6 bis XProfan X2 mit XPSE

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Michael
Dell

me GEHTS there integrally like Dietmar, I Definiere einzeiler functions as always gladly but moreover need I Yes grabbed on the Parameterstack and the shining Roland unfortunately not To fallen!

Salu Michael...

Hab zwar krumme Fieß awer dofir e' ecklich Gsicht!

RGH

to the singlelined functions with DEF would like I then time my opinion darlegen:

DEF for einzeilige functions (with this seltsamen Parameter Passing) watts introduced, as it yet no Procedures given and then to maintain, since the Procedures with PROC / ENDPROC first of all not yet in the site were, values zurückzugeben or as functions called To go. concise: mehrzeilige functions were in Profan seinerzeit you don't say so. with some Programmiertern led the To largely unlesbaren Monsterfunktionen with DEF, but many others things went as function not. it given of course later The Krücke with the nullten Parameter the Parameterstacks over the the me RETURN zurückgelieferte worth quizzed go could, but More as a Krücke was is even not.
since Profan 7 watts intern The later Objektorientierung prepared. important to introduction of modes were real mehrzeilge functions, The with Profan 7.6 introduced get. Each procedure can now too as function called go. and in the Contrast To singlelined functions having The Parameter understandable names and it can also reaches, Structures or Obejekte as Parameter übergen go. (Arrays as Parameter are for future XProfan-versions in planning.)
DEF can now in this Hinsicht nothing more, what with PROC / ENDPROC not integral übersichtlicher, wartbarer and so fehlerunanfälliger made go could.
DEF becomes for defined functions means not any more needed.

there now (the from the DOS BASIC entnommene) DEF not any more benöltigt and is it particularly for Beginner always verwirrend is, if one- and diesselbe thing on verschiedenem lane possible is, disappears the DEF for defined functions from XProfan ... at least from the Documentation.

this is the second point: from Kompatibilitätsgründen is it yet present and becomes presumably too in XProfan 11 yet (undokumentiert) functions. it exists in this Hinsicht not the least reason to alarmism!

Langjährige Profan²/XProfan-User know, that Changes in her Programming-Language always very sacht undertaken go. and it walk in the actually Version 10 objectively yet some programs the Version 1.3 without Changes, How z.B. The damalige Version the Müllspieles, yet integrally without Procedures.

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4

Frank
Abbing

I find Rolands Vorgehensweise thoroughly nachvollziehbar and lobenswert. Programmtechniken, The meanwhile through better supplant get, slow and behutsam herauszunehmen is still in this shape aale.

some go now einwenden, I seinerzeit yourself Alarm beaten have, as it around the abolition of Goto went. there ought to but one commands out taken go, the through none others (geschweige because better) supplant been was. means not To vergleichen with the supra listed Relikten from old Time...

Jac
de
Lad

I could ModernXProfan procure, einzeilige functions in Procs umzuwandeln. so would it without Problems possible, whom middle-aged Krempel abzuschaffen and nevertheless How yet weiterzuprogrammieren.

@Roland: How do I do Plugins for XProfEd or who can me there help on???

Profan² 2.6 bis XProfan 11.1+XPSE+XPIA+XPRR (und irgendwann XIDE)
Core2Duo E8500/T2250, 8192/1024 MB, Radeon HD4850/Radeon XPress 1250, Vista64/XP

RGH

[quote:5ba3cb93c2=Jacob Liebeck]@Roland: How do I do Plugins for XProfEd or who can me there help on???[/quote:5ba3cb93c2]
look in the XProfan-Help under Development Environment/XProfed (access You from XProfed too directly with Invoice values-F1) and there under User Menu. there becomes the nötige and particularly The Parameter described. for Plugins is the Parameter :! important: The actually Programmtext becomes stored, then the program, about your Translator called and subsequently the Programmtext, the of Translator changed watts, again into editor loaded. your Translator ought to means from the Enviroment-Variables XPRF_D (or the with

übergebenen Parameter) whom Filenames the actually File read and these loading, Edit and write back. (One nice feature would to the change the lay out of/ one Sicherheitskopie, for unwahrscheinlichen drop, that your Program still something wrong power and one nachschauen would like, what really meant was.)

Greeting
Roland

Intel Duo E8400 3,0 GHz / 4 GB RAM / 1000 GB HDD - ATI Radeon HD 4770 512 MB - Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit - XProfan X4