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Jac de Lad | One plane standing on one 3000 metres long Laufband, so big and wide as an runway.
an Geschwindigkeits-Control setting the Laufband automatically in movement once The Räder the Flugzeugs begin To turn. and of course with the equal speed, only into counter direction.
the plane attempts to start. what happens? becomes it take off? |
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| Hm around the movement verpuffen To let would but one resistance necessary. The rotierenden Räder dürften this means not suffice The Triebwerkskraft big To bearing - even if the Räder X-time faster turn must as at drop the The runway not mitrutscht. |
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GDL | Hi, one jet of my opinion not, since the Düsen below the Tragfläche hang and the angesaugte breeze accordingly on the Flügelkannte none Saugeffekt created. Saugeffekt becomes here first at Vortrieb created. there with Propellermaschinen (Motoren are in the wings, or. in the Flugzeugnase on Flügelhöhe)The angesaugte breeze to hinten over The Tragfläche pressed becomes, could one take off possible possible his. Saugeffekt is here always present.
Hello Georg |
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Torsten Rümker | Tja, so How I the see need we so slow somebody the us the physical-mathematically vorrechnen can. i'm still the opinion, that it none large Difference power, whether the Laufband moving or not, there the Schub Yes on The breeze works and not whom ground. means becomes not more than (How iF already said) The Drehzahl the Räder extreme high his, namely twice so high How with one normalen Start. And if The ball bearing the Räder not straight forsaking becomes it well started.
MfG Torsten |
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| Ich lerne, ob ich will oder nicht! Betriebssystem: - Ubuntu 15.x - Windows (diverse) XProfan Version: X2 | 05/14/06 ▲ |
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Clemens Meier | Jacob Liebeck
an Geschwindigkeits-Control setting the Laufband automatically in movement once The Räder the Flugzeugs begin To turn. and of course with the equal speed, only into counter direction.
in the Task standing still eindeutigi, that itself the Laufband with the equal speed moving as Räder, only in entgegengesetzter direction. Insofern is a speculation, whether the plane to in front moving or not, whether the Schub on The breeze works or not, utterly irrelevant. already in the Task becomes set, that itself the plane relatively from the surroundings not moving. whether the useful at all goes, bezweifle I of course, but the was Yes not The question. |
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Michael Dell | forget times not The Delay between the Geschwindigkeitserhöhung and the gegenreaktion the Lausfbands, hinzu comes the of gear begot Luftstrom the with eachone yet so small increase the Speeds anwächst.
Ausserdem created one so gewalttiges Laufband ebenwalls wind the whom Auftrieb the Flugzeugs moreover increased apiece faster the volume itself moving!
it duration longer the consumption is higher but becomes take off.
not forget the Bezugssystem the Antriebs is not the ground separate The breeze!!! |
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| Salu Michael...
Hab zwar krumme Fieß awer dofir e' ecklich Gsicht! | 05/14/06 ▲ |
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Nico Madysa | Torsten has right, definitive is the speed, with the The breeze on whom Flügeln vorbeirauscht. probably might everything from the Reibung inside the Räder take down. there were it theoretical two Extremwerte:
1. The Reibung goes against zero. If itself then the Laufband turn would, would the Räder of course too turn, but because of fehlender Reibung would itself these movement not the plane transfer. it could free from problems started.
2. The Reibung goes against infinite. then could the Räder not moving and the thing had itself immediate Done.
The Reibung lying in the practice between whom both Extremwerten. the plane could itself therefore, even if it a plenty höhere speed bräuchte, started.
PS: hopefully reports itself Dietmar, the was still time Physiklehrer.
PPS: @Jac: Nimm NEN Helikopter! |
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| I say, it heave ex. If the Turbinen walk becomes breeze through tappt im dunkeln pulled and these drifting too on whom Tragflächen along. with the right speed the turn the Turbinen heave the plane means ab; ifs not before of Laufband skittered is (its almost unmöglich The tire- and Laufbandgeschwindigkeit same To hold). |
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| close me the opinion of Michael on. Det thing remaining under ! - there's there yet so a problem from the Flugtechnik: On reason ours (the Humans) know over The Aerodynamik and Ähnlichem can The Hummel not fly. reason: The grosse and vergleichsweise schwere body can from the vorhandenen small Flügeln not worn go. so far our know. The Hummel knows the but not and FLIEGT....! How says RoKO always: LoL |
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Clemens Meier | One helicopter is loudly Task not allows. but How see it with a Senkrechtstarter from ? then fit everything together, The task is erfüllt and the thing heave ex! |
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Jac de Lad | So I my naturally one normales plane. One durchschnittliches. |
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| there's none reason and so the Airman not started ought to. the the Laufband itself moving is irrelevant since the Räder turn.
so - who game now whom Gutachter? Roland! very Roland must since! |
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| The unwiderbringliche Beweiß! |
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