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Clemens
Meier

there it in the Vorsatz around the movement the Räder went, relating the speed the Laufbandes on The Räder. would be but in the drop beside the point, since the speed the Räder The same is, as the Flugzeuges. Ergo, the Laufband moving itself into counter direction How the plane rad/fly wants. where means is your Verständnisproblem. for me standing everything glasklar there. And if not, then ask we whom Author the task

means question I you now, on what have you got your Berechnung in your Program for task in your response related?

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GDL

Why runs The downstairs strain two rumble, The übereinanderliegen and the upper strain along runs ,warring?

means must I The downstairs strain in dieselbe Richttung brake, as upper runs, so both slow down.

Hello
Georg

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there it in the Vorsatz around the movement the Räder went, relating the speed the Laufbandes on The Räder.

where standing because something like?

Hey Zusatzregeln invent isn't task the Threads!

And if not, then ask we whom Author the task

Ähem, the author the task having already conceded the it abhebt.

plenty entscheidender is, the the wirkliche reason for a mögliches Nichtabheben integrally where differently lying! but the has Georg Yes in experience bring can!

fundamentally however remaining the Airman naturally NOT on the ground only because the Laufband itself moving.

GDL

Oberhalb the hub goes The movement to in front, below to hinten.If the volume to hinten runs speed it The Räder yet.

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Fazit: The truth lying How always in the middle!

Clemens
Meier

I meant not, which opinion the author is concerning the response, separate concerning the question.

its alike, from what You The Geschwindkeit refer, she's both same, as long as The Räder yet Contact to that Laufband and have the plane To Beginn in silence was. Räder without urged on moving itself with the speed, which from the speed the Flugzeuges - (less) the speed the Laufbandes. The speed the Flugzeuges is at the beginning 0, The the Laufbandes too. Räder stand still. The Propeller goes on, the plane setting itself in movement with exakt 5 km/h (naturally for moment). speed the Räder just in this Bruchteil of/ one second = 5 km/h. Laufband becomes in movement staid and of course with exakt the equal speed (alike whether the Räder or the Flugzeuges): 5 km/h.
How quick is the plane? 5 km/h to the Laufbandes. but 0 km/h to the surroundings, moreover counts The breeze, The Trees, the Tower etc.

now understood?

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Clemens
Meier

Fazit: The truth lying How always in the middle!

the have I yes a one Posting plenty moreover in front already declared (cue: Senkrechtstarter), still there has one me tells, it be one normales plane -> but the standing indeed not in the task

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speed the Räder just in this Bruchteil of/ one second = 5 km/h. Laufband becomes in movement staid and of course with exakt the equal speed (alike whether the Räder or the Flugzeuges): 5 km/h.
How quick is the plane? 5 km/h to the Laufbandes. but 0 km/h to the surroundings, moreover counts The breeze, The Trees, the Tower etc.

but very this is wrong.

The Airman drives ggü surroundings 5 km/h, and ggü the volume 10. The Airman fetch itself Yes its Vortrieb too from the surroundings(breeze) and not of volume.

but the standing indeed not in the task

therefore go I like this from the one normales plane meant is. vertically started can indeed The wenigsten. in the reference but on The Geschwindigkeitsgabe (in the Task) can not simply normalisieren there here a Bezugsangabe necessary would.

Clemens
Meier

I have still known, that this already in another Forum discusses watts. an possible response is:
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but self Physiker puzzle over, because The task doesn't give any relevanten terms to, so that one evident To unterschiedlichen Solutions come can. and so finish I for my part The holding on this Thread

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well ebend very, and therefore let again ex Link - so far were we already dank Georg: [...]

Georg has sozusagen integrally new awful reale aspects with yielded which the laity not absolutely me einbezieht, the expert but not more than drüber grin.

Michael
Dell

Hmmm, The movement the Räder is from the movement the Flugzeugs tributary (and this drop too of volume) inverse is the dependence the Flugzeugs from the Radbewegung sooner lowly. the volume can The movement the Räder bearing, The movement the Flugzeugs is almost ausschlieslich of urged on tributary and on the has the volume no einfluss, because the Medium the Antriebs is always The breeze not the ground or the volume.

possibly the The Räder and Maybe too the volume vastly damage take but the plane becomes of my opinion to In any drop started!

Up up and away...

Salu Michael...

Hab zwar krumme Fieß awer dofir e' ecklich Gsicht!