XProfan

Jörg
Sellmeyer

Hello Andreas,
cordial Welcome first in the Profanwelt and the Comunity. Ersteinmal one hint of me to that work out the new Posts. The red number right supra, The you indicating wieviele new Posts present are, is you certainly already noticed. If you now in the Hauptansicht down go, see You The Topics there also aufgelistet. i don't know whom Browser You uses, but self with the internet Explorer is it in the meantime possible, Links in Tabs to open. means simply The left with the rechten Mouse button You can and "in new tab öffnen" or (at least with Firefox) Strg + Linksklick and You come directly To desired Topic. The each last Posts are The aktuellsten.
To your ask:

in the first: One Mindestmaß on studies the Helpfile becomes you well not erspart stay. it'll you too in future the goodwill all Members here secure, if you not z.B. ask, how can I The Size the Fensters as an afterthought change, separate simply in the Suchmaske Help time "Fenster size ändern" eingibst and you The thereupon aufgelisteten Topics durchliest.

secondly: If you ask To irgendwelchen trouble (naja - mainly programmiertechnischer manner

) have, make You simply a Thread in the Forum for Programmierfragen on and you is with safety very quick helped go.

Drittens: On your Profan-CD there a Einsteigerkurs. Gib simply time "xprofan-kurs" in the Help one.

Viertens: fight we yourself often enough yet with the Layout. its less through solid as through evolution emerged. If moreover suggestions present are, can You tappt im dunkeln gladly in the suitable Forum (in this drop and "Stammtisch - suggestions and Vorschläge") post. Sofern it somehow To release is, has David yet always any good ideas berücksichtigt.

fifth: again cordial Welcome!
Greeting
Jörg

Windows XP SP2 XProfan X4
... und hier mal was ganz anderes als Profan ...

@Jörgs response...

so was everything said

...too of me: cordial Welcome !

Andreas
Koenig

Hello Jörg,

many Thanks for response.
now have I The "recent" Page with the last 50 Topics found... this is but already time one progress

sound everything a little bit so, as would I To rotten Manuals or Aids To reading. Well, in gewissem measured is correct the well too (but since be I sure no individual case

)

Well then I will times not same rumkritteln, separate first time whom course make. but it remaining the local: Profan install and loslegen - the works not.... then becomes well a night shift potted go must. and who knows, Perhaps beteiluige I then Yes time active on the Online Documentation, damits the next then at least something leichter has.

so well then but rasch again on The work.... though Profan "lockt"

see you later!

Nummer 982... oder so

Windows XP SP2, XProfan 11

Jörg
Sellmeyer

another Info, the us and you The thing vereinfacht:
Gib Please in your Signatur The used Profanversion and your Betriebssystem on.
too The Forumssuche becomes you manchen very useful Posting To your ask give.
Greeting
Jörg

Windows XP SP2 XProfan X4
... und hier mal was ganz anderes als Profan ...

Andreas
Koenig

Jörg Sellmeyer

Erleedischt! thanks over again!

Andreas

Nummer 982... oder so

Windows XP SP2, XProfan 11

@Andreas:

is Yes well a Unverschämtheit our divine shaped Community so unsachlich fehleinzuschätzen - all joking aside:

Übersichtlich for Beginner is here probably at all nothing, that lying well on it the the community itself by the working day derer shaping, The here active mitwirken and mitgestalten and chiefly no Beginner are.

The Community is no fertiges and abgeschlossenes "Board", many Members works constantly on Kleinigkeiten the Community in reference on Zusatzinhalte, Layout and Systematik (Sorting). These Community "lebt" means just as as Page, because the community shaping The Page - differently as with regulären "Foren" where The Members in the Grunde solely Topics and Posts verfassen can - below one and the same static view.

accordingly are we naturally too for each Info grateful, which Perhaps moreover lead could, everything another bit rather To make.

Tutorials there dozens, (unfortunately) too well cache in individual Products. A page with Verweisen on any these tollen Tuts there unfortunately momentarily not, but the produce such of/ one Page are no stones into lane laid and so so many Contenteditor already so began having.

distinguished must naturally go between XProfan, XProfan-Forum and XProfan-Community. you are here in the XProfan-Community.

XProfan learn one best because one it using - The Helpfile is (naturally) first contact persons.

The Forums on XProfan.de [...]

promise too Anfängern one "reguläres" Support-board, there is it too clear.

we in the XProfan-Community weg the something "anders" on, here's everything less whom Anfängern devoted as them, The then but already very know How loudly the Krümel falls. for diejenigen against can the community one wahrliches Cockaigne his - if one because z.B. with your umzugehen knows.

in the Grunde verrät you too The view "Letzte Themen" in whom Threads it News gives, if too without "New"-symbol. (what I but arrange and improve can.)

Andreas Koenig

Perhaps has Yes nevertheless yet someone a helpful Link circa really "an The hand genommen" and Profan introduced To go?

this is integrally simply, be active thereby. Look you too whom XProfan-manager on: [...]

Andreas Koenig

The Possibility in the Main Menu by the Topics To clicking is for somebody How me, the not any Threads pursue can, very unübersichtlich.

try it first of all nevertheless, at least to that beginning. you'll see the You letztendlich so faster are. (and it on quite none drop harm)

Welcome!

Gerhard
Praher

Hello Andreas !

too i want you in the Community begrüßen.
I do the too from folgendem reason:

myself be of course already since 25 years in the EDV-Branche and program very plenty, on XProfan be
however first recently bumped and be straight thereby with there einzulesen.
In gewisser point goes it me there so How you, still The same Notwendigkeiten, what the run through of
Tutorials and Help Files anbelangt, remaining one useful nirgends erspart.
The really large Difference To others Programmiersprachen is these Community.
I can you only say, The people here are utterly pointed !
the could myself already because of of my ask, The I posted have, check.
means to the Motto: "Hier go tappt im dunkeln helped !"

it remaining no question unbeantwortet or watts already former answers (see Search).
after I plenty herumprobiert have can I you say: these The best Community, The I
ever erlebt have ! I say not circa jemandem To flatter, separate because it so is - means from Überzeugung.

now wish I you a erfahrungsreichen stay in the Community and plenty joy with XProfan.

it grüßt from Österreich
Gerhard

Nachtrag:
as Motto the Community could one whom Song of Robbie Williams "Let me enterntain you" changing -
on "Let me explain you".

Windows XP Pro, SP3
Jetzt: XProfan 11
Was ich liebe sind 3 "F": meine Familie, meine Firma, meine Freizeit.

Dietmar
Horn

Hello Andreas,

I find it correctly., that You you same The Full Version bought have. with all others versions (older Freeware-, shareware-versions, XProfan FREE, OGL-Basic etc.) stößt You already at the beginning often on border and Problems, The You as Beginner well hardly without adept guide so without further umschiffen can.

"Einfach program for Anwender" is correct on this place unfortunately not!

it comes integrally hereon on, what the Individual under "Einfach Programmieren" understand. understand jmand under, that one as Beginner with XProfan already to one weekend one super-3-D-Game create can, then is correct the naturally so not. too who believes, itself with XProfan in few hours or Meet one tolles windows-Program without big to think and without Own efforts with the mouse zusammenklicken to, the is on the Holzweg.

who however already others Programmiersprachen something knows, and these with XProfan vergleicht, the becomes this Slogan aboveboard conscience consent must. I faith, this to some extent to weigh up to, because to of my "profanen" Time (this is meanwhile already ca. 15 years ago) have I intensiver with Turbo- and Borland-Pascal, C, Assembler, TPW and Delphi engage. Insofern fell it I do not heavy, me into damalige Profan² 3.3. in few Meet to some extent einzuarbeiten and I me already to 3 Meet The Full Version order.

on this place one dickes Praise to Dietmar horn, the, so far I it yesterday evening to judge could, one very nice Tutorial began has. unfortunately have I it yesterday not abgespeichert and today is not available.

??? if You, the Uralt-Tutorial from the XProfan-manager mean (one other is me from of my feather not famous), then understand I not. its as always in the manager include, means there there of my Erachtens still really quite nothing abzuspeichern, if one whom manager first time installs has (you have by me Yes first recent the Installationspasswort angefordert and get).

If everything works, then becomes it tommorrow evening one XProfan-manager-Update give, in the one of me completely new konzipiertes XProfan-Tutorial (or. the beginning of it - yet on ca. 250 pages in the PDF-stature) include his becomes. this is then already my 6. or 7. attempt, during the past 10 years time a manner "XProfan-Lehrbuch" for utterly Programmieranfänger To write. time look, Perhaps stops I the this time something longer through. Particulars moreover later.

I wanted to only once versuchsweise narrate, whom local Profan ... on Beginner hinterlässt.

Diesen local can I fully and integrally confirm. the changes but nothing on the relatively light Erlernbarkeit of XProfan in the comparison To others (real) windows-Programmiersprachen. naturally must one thereby as Beginner "echtes Programmieren" not so confuse, that one itself with irgendeinem "Klick-you-Doof"-Tool solely a coloured surface from irgendwelchen vorgefertigten Modulen zusammenschiebt, and thereafter not weiterkommt, because one therefore weder whom begot Source, yet whom grundlegenden Programmaufbau at all roughly understood has (and so neither understand can).

One richtiges XProfan-Textbook To create is a immense work for a individual, sofern not only a Aneinanderreihung or. enumeration the in the Programming-Language encompassed functions and command go should. we'd this issue here in the Community already often had. there's of course some Tutorials or Help Files To relatively tight eingegrenzten Topics around Profan² and XProfan, The but in the rule mostly already fortgeschrittenere Programmierkenntnisse assume.

on one real XProfan-Textbook for absolute Programmieranfänger (means for people, for XProfan your allererste Bekanntschaft with the program at all is) has of my Wissens yet yet none herangewagt or. one solches proposition longer Time chasing. too one first attempt here in the Community, one solches as Gemeinschaftsprojekt to do is unfortunately kläglich failed. Verwunderlich is the of my opinion to but neither really - moreover reicht not from, pure lowdown somehow aneinanderzureihen, because moreover must one absolutely from eigener experience know, How utterly Beginner "ticken", about which tappt im dunkeln at the beginning on the häufigsten stumbling, etc. One solches team of "Lehrbuch-Schreiberlingen" should idealerweise a well mixture from Pädagogen (with jahrelanger experience in the Durchführung of XProfan-Kursen for Beginner) and professionelle XProfan-Programmer his.

Reine Pädagogen having often not The meiste Idea of Fachlichen, for can tappt im dunkeln the little, what they know, so rüberbringen, that the little usually too eachone geistige Tiefflieger understands (if it it because really kapieren wants). XProfan-Profis against, The any delicacies the Programming-Language from the Ef-Ef rule, break often already terrible one, as they one Beginner for it verständlich the Grundgerüst one XProfan-Program and the sense of variables, inquire, creep etc. explain should - tappt im dunkeln talk crept and simply over The Heads the people away, without this yourself To notice.

the Letztgenannte (means these well "Mischung") is of my opinion to the, what very, very difficult To release is. well Yes - Perhaps catch we the still in the running the Time somehow sensible there. XProfan yourself watts of Roland not in one year erschaffen, separate has meanwhile indeed already far over 15 years on the Buckel ...

Greeting
Dietmar

Multimedia für Jugendliche und junge Erwachsene - MMJ Hoyerswerda e.V. [...]

Windows 95 bis Windows 7
Profan² 6.6 bis XProfan X2 mit XPSE

Das große XProfan-Lehrbuch: [...]

Frank
Abbing

too of me one Big Hello, Andreas!

If everything works, then becomes it tommorrow evening one XProfan-manager-Update give, in the one of me completely new konzipiertes XProfan-Tutorial (or. the beginning of it - yet on ca. 250 pages in the PDF-stature) include his becomes.

first once find I the a fantastische item of news! Something like missing in each drop, and the PDF-stature is this a good electoral!
Why but want You so a File only manager hide? would be me forward, if You tappt im dunkeln ditto - additional! - for itself on my own to put would.

have yourself Schonmal consider, so one proposition to do. failed but bislang on the Time, because I over ands over again others interesting items find. circa smaller ones chapter beizusteuern would tappt im dunkeln but certainly wealthy...

Perhaps could these Datenbasis then finally a basis his for a possible Wiki, the I then widerum too gladly beibringe as "Buch" To export.

Gerhard
Praher

"Wiki and the strong Männer" - hihihihihi

Windows XP Pro, SP3
Jetzt: XProfan 11
Was ich liebe sind 3 "F": meine Familie, meine Firma, meine Freizeit.