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Dennis
Schulmeister | Hello David,
The Description to PSA3D.DLL reads itself very tensive. i will it gerna time try, once I something Time moreover find. The problem with the Profan²-Community is even of my opinion to, that they almost extinct is. since the end the former SuperPage (PSP) are The golden times unfortunately past.
Sincerely,
Dennis  |
| | | | (Fast) alle Profan²-Versionen seit Version 2.6, sowie (fast) alle Windows-Versionen seit Windows 3.1 | 06/05/04 ▲ |
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| |  | I see, understand, have of course already of such of/ one Superpage heard, but tappt im dunkeln unfortunately never self seen. have the Topic well completely missed, pity eigendlich. can me The time someone describe? having The Features The here yet are missing? what was there eigendlich go?
iF |
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Dennis
Schulmeister | The Profan² super Page watts seinerzeit of jan Steinhard led and was therefore under www.ssoft/psp accessible. there jan one renomierter Webspetzialist was, mind it it, one komfortables Forensystem aufzusetzen without thereby on Free Massenware from the internet zurückzugriefen. ditto offered its PSP different dynamic lists, into itself any Programmer selbstständing present could. These contained under others Linklisten To own Programs to category etc. too The Maillingliste watts on the PSP gehostet. the led moreover, that The PSP far More Traffic as The offizielle Profan²-Page sustained.
One good but completely unbecchtetes Remake the PSP is the Profan²-Network under www.prfnet.de. Unegfähr so must You you The PSP present.
Ihrerzeit herrschte Hochkunjunktur on the PSP and the Profan²-Mailing List. between 30 and 40 e-Mails daily were no Seltenheit. The of Roland provided Archive let the auszugsweise understand.
as then Achim doctor from Berlin into Community entering started it The Profan² Juniors Workstation, which today faith I only yet Juniors Workstation name, but immernoch with Profan² engage. it was his earnings, that Roland from the then actually Version 7.0 a Free Schulversion created, and these too for XProfan² well again create becomes. it was too his earnings, that itself a hand fully etablierte Profan²-developer (under too jan Steinhard and Tomas Hölzer the Windowsexperte and of Roland eingesetzte Profan²-Mitprogrammierer) in Berlin to a first meet met. with this meet must schlimmen Anschuldigungen fallen his, The monatelange Streitereien the subscriber to itself pulled. These get to the nosy Public secret held. then middle May 2001 was is then so far: jan Steinhard, Thomas Hölzer and Bernd Nochirgendwas leave The Profan²-community and your Websites weg offline. to there were The PSP, Sonic² (the Profanmagazin) and PRFellow (the API-Kompendium and Development Environment the Profan²it).
it given some Rettungsversuche, The any failed. since the watts it quiet around the Profan²-Gemeinde. Very ruhig…
Sincerely,
Dennis (the already since Version 5.0a solid thereby is) |
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Dietmar
Horn | Hi,
these past development ought to for Roland occasion enough his, too prospective no other as his own Forum as the offizielle Profan²-Forum To deklarieren - already circa itself dbzgl. never again of irgendwelchen Launen another Profan²it or Streitigkeiten on Kleinkind-level tributary To make or. whom appearance aufkommen To let, alike in which shape with a strangers Forum erpressbar To his.
even if it without doubt meanwhile from the Optik and of Content since anspruchsvollere and More Fleiß and Engagement erstellte and gepflegte Forums as his own Forum gives (to that example this lovely Forum here).
whether a defined amount of daily Mails one measured for quality or popularity one Forums or of/ one Mailing List is, the venture I To bezweifeln. finally repeat itself straight Anfängerfragen permanent, which sometime vollends Done having, because eachone over The Suchfunktion or into of Roland provided older Archiven slight Answer on its ask find can.
too dürften such Tools, How z.B. Rolfs ROC, not negligible moreover contribute, that many ask (too fortgeschrittenerer Profan²-users) therefore first none More in the Forum or in the list set go must.
because of less werdender täglicher Postings or Listeneinträgen a almost ausgestorbenen Community To talk stops I for very vermessen and voreingenommen. the contrary shining me sooner the case To his. because if itself in the daily use of Profan² in zunehmendem Maße less ask auftun, could the Yes probably too one Indiz for Simplicity, Verständlichkeit and light Erlernbarkeit this Programming-Language his, what Profan² of my opinion to withal some corners and Kanten zweifelsfrei too really is. i'd anyway times, in them it to a Programming-Language daily -zig ask hails, under no circumstance with the concept golden times, separate sooner with pechschwarze times for these software betiteln.
If then by degrees the a or others Hobbyprogrammierer with Profan² whom erfolgreichen Entry into windows-Programming geschafft has and to a others (with verstärktem objektorientierten Herangehen) changes, has The pursuit with Profan² still ditto a sinnvollen object erfüllt, or? and that a Programming-Language 12 or 13 years to the allerersten published Version yet always on the market etabliert is, creates of my Erachtens ditto not straight a dead Programming-Language.
too can past Querelen between of/ one hand fully ehemaliger Profan²it in the Context with public Anfeindungen on primitivstem level (and to that part To under The Gürtellinie gehend) it of my opinion to on duration not prevent, that Profan² itself by degrees from o.g. Found as Lehrsprache in the Informatikunterricht deutscher schools arrival becomes.
in the apprenticeship training having The tough wirkenden laws the Markwirtschaft it 1 - 2 - fix geregelt, that meanwhile no Auszubildender z.B. in the Kraftfahrzeuggewerbe More on the Trabant or Wartburg ausgebildet becomes. in the german Schulwesen against it (and here particularly in the Informatikunterricht) shine The watches something differently To ticken - because here keep such Oldtimer How Trabant and Wartburg (speak: Turbo Pascal for DOS and Logo for DOS) evident yet on years away ihren sometime acquired Stammplatz. anyway as long as, How the pressure on The Informatiklehrer not so heavy increased becomes, that tappt im dunkeln if need be with Konsequenzen for ihren job gewungen go, with the Time to go and itself How eachone others employee in others reaches kontinuierlich fortzubilden. I faith not, that it in Germany too only a only schoolboy gives, the its Informatiklehrer into past years with seinem Trabant or Wartburg to that service upcoming seen has ...
Greeting
Dietmar
Dennis  - I ducke me already now vorsichtshalber  - Please hit me because of ours often right gegenteiligen Ansichten (not only in this Forum) not To cool ...   |
| | | | Multimedia für Jugendliche und junge Erwachsene - MMJ Hoyerswerda e.V. [...]  Windows 95 bis Windows 7 Profan² 6.6 bis XProfan X2 mit XPSE Das große XProfan-Lehrbuch: [...] | 06/05/04 ▲ |
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| | | Wow, the are so Real only heavy glaubliche stories. there's means still a Humans behind the synonym RGH, which itself too with alltäglichen and zwischenmenschlichen terms rumplagt.
so How I it understood have having Roland his offizielles Forum on The PSP submitted, oha can I there only say, there must it but very code Beratung found having. for me would it one horror to know, the offizielle Profan Forum hosten To must, I since Profan4 thereby be, had I simply a well respect to the product and not lastly to Rolands old. 
One bisl More Farsightedness had I it there but already zugetraut. *duck*
Naja whatever, I have The XProfan-Community Yes not gebastelt, circa on ever of/ one thing shares To erhaschen or quite around the Phorum To supplant, integrally in the contrary, virtual was tappt im dunkeln Yes only for me self as memory- and Sortiermedium. the Phorum of Roland is a integrally others thing, there goes it differently To, there go Problems clarified, and here go The Solutions gathered. How with Ying & yang.  his Phorum should time beautiful his Phorum stay.
Since The people here but apparently well feel, and anytime Welcome are, power it me simply Fun here and there New einzubetten, or. the community weiterzuentwickeln.
I make here too sure no Versprechungen which I do not hold can, I garantiere too for nothing except for the the community here too without the someone here To visiting comes, Bestand has, and not simply because of badly mood & Co. shorted becomes. already on my own because of the Subforen, for its permanente Accessibility I gladly bürge! I say but too integrally clear that this here no regelfreier space is, The Admins and/or Moderatoren here can Posts change, delete & co, even a manner censorship is here ambulation and give. I lösche, editiere and shift too simply Posts if it makes sense, but: I make is to that Wohle and in the senses the Community, and so How i think the it best fit.
I stand too anytime each Member here to that Meinungsaustausch available, and if itself someone unfair treats feel solle it it simply to expressed bring.
salvo, iF |
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| | | so, I have time into Trickkiste clutched.
Profan-super-Page, Yes? lol! this is Yes well sooner witty as satire.
[quote:c1227f060c]...renomierter Webspetzialist was, mind it it, one komfortables Forensystem aufzusetzen...[/quote:c1227f060c]
Boah, The here should the his? [...] 
i want me Yes not großtun, but I program since my 8.Lebensjahr, and the PSP (if it because at all these is) sees me from How my first Gehversuche with PHP. there denk I time still integrally heavy that I here in the Community At least as many Lines Programming To this php-Riesenprojekt HINZUGEFÜGT have, as whole psp besaß *ggg*, geschweige from the umprogrammierten Blöcken. Entschuldigt me Please my Übermut, but I having me already something other pictured.
Well, I had hoped the it itself to the Description already circa little more dealt having.
Enttäuschter iF  |
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| | | Something like? simply the internet in the Time turn back, then finds one everything on irgendwelchen Servern again. here one Posting so around the 04/2001.
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SORRY, there into here zitierten satirischen Texten yet lebende and in the PROFAN-area active Personen discernible are, stops I it for appropriate, these Ztate here To delete. Please take me not ill, but there's items, The would like I do not warm up. and these new Community has it not earn, itself through derartige quotes To gefärden.
Roland (RGH)
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I bedaure The Time not live erlebt to have
iF
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I bedaure, these Auseinanderstzungen erlebt to have, without tappt im dunkeln prevent to.
Roland
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Aiijaii jai, if I the time so see, and there come I and make here so Pie time thumb simply so my Own Community on, well holla, bad Roland? 
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no, cool!
i'll me today Nachgmittag once more to whole thing express. now be I something in haste.
To then!
Roland
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RGH | Hi,
I have me allows, the vorangegangene Posting To Edit. (Bearbeitungen naturally markiert!) i'll me today afternoon again on this place report. a lovely sunday yet!
Greeting
Roland |
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Dennis
Schulmeister | here's the Posting hingekommen. I have me already gewundert…
No fear Dietmar, I hit not.
to that a give I you even right, if you say, that less Posts too one Indiz for More Verständlichkeit and Trnasparenz his can but my local was is nunmal, that simply More go was in the community. I can somehow not present, that itself any usual Anfängrfragen since then suddenly for each Neueinsteiger clarified having.
i think, that into previous Forums and the Maillingliste not only Beginner-Questions behandlet get, separate too The Problems, which today in Rolands Phorum wiederspiegeln. The Difference is only, that The list and the Forums really enough read- and Schreibstoff former bade circa well engage To his. today flattert time each month or two a Mail by the list.
what too my local bekräftigt has, was I in Forumsarchiven plenty from the demand to whom Units red have, always with the argument others Languages having the too and are dank of/ one leistungsstarken Standardlibrary very powerful and simply to program. now where The Units there are, have I The Argumente again on the table brought and moreover called, me Codeschnippsel all manner on my e-Mailadresse To send, so we a Standardlibrary for Profan² on The legs to put can. three Humans having itself by e-Mail ready declared To help, over two weeks away were it ca. 5 which in Rolands Phorum with the proposition solidarisiert and have the was The whole Resonanz. thereupon have I the proposition even rest let.
it likes means voices, that Profan² possible Zahlenmäßig on customers zugelegt has (the wisely only Roland) but the acivity in the community went of my opinion to very back. and the against find I pity.
Übrigens having jan To beginning yet on kosntenlose Forensysteme zurückgegriffen and it then after a while his let. on this Forum coming tappt im dunkeln of course not ran, but I found The Page really not so bad. Perhaps trübt me here my memory a little bit or I could The Professionalität of/ one Page then yet less to weigh up as today. nothing so withal found I The Page really right well.
Sincerely,
Dennis |
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RGH | [quote:0d109523c4=Dennis Schulmeister]
Ihrerzeit herrschte Hochkunjunktur on the PSP and the Profan²-Mailing List. between 30 and 40 e-Mails daily were no Seltenheit. The of Roland provided Archive let the auszugsweise understand.
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The Archive are complete and not only auszugsweise. too The Mailing List the PSP watts of DOMEUS gehostet, just as as jetzige ... and even under the same names. as jan itself zurückzog, has it me The list transfer. first of all flourishing The Mailing List moreover, but sometime let tappt im dunkeln then to. evident has the interest More in direction Forums moved.
[quote:0d109523c4=Dennis Schulmeister]
it was too his [Achims] earnings, that itself a hand fully etablierte Profan²-developer (under too jan Steinhard and Tomas Hölzer the Windowsexperte and of Roland eingesetzte Profan²-Mitprogrammierer) in Berlin to a first meet met.
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this is crept wrong. One solches meet in Berlin has it never given and was too never planned. in the april 2000 having Thomas Hölzer to a meet with itself To dwell (sew Siegen) invited, the thoroughly very harmonious verlief. to the Auseinandersetzungen coming it first thereafter. and in the running this conflict saw itself Thomas and jan derartigen Beschuldigungen and Beleidigungen exposed, that tappt im dunkeln middle May 2001 beschlossen, itself from the Profan-world zurückzuziehen. unfortunately gelang it I do not schlichtend einzugreifen. I had sooner whom local from the parties gegeneinander finished playing To go. (In Berlin there were beginning May 2001 one meet of Achims PWS, on the so did i teilnahm, among other things, circa between whom festgefahrenen Fronten To provide.)
what about me must admit, that the whole too vast on my nerves zerrte and me the Weggang Thomas, jan and Bernd To hearts went what about me me too asked, Why institute of technology I me the really on. The thought, Profan aufzugeben, coming me then too. the has me naturally something paralyzed and it lasting something, To The next Profan-Version ready watts. but then went it moreover what about me think with Profan 7.5 and now XProfan went it large steps forth! and it'll go on!
to then Community: The Mailing List having me jan transfer and The contents the then Forums. it lasting only few days to the Offline-weg the PSP, To I on the official Profanseite The new Forums (then of Webmart) arranged having. the was naturally no comparison to PSP, but one new start.
Greeting
Roland |
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RGH | [quote:77258bc42c=iF (!ReGeXiT)]
so How I it understood have having Roland his offizielles Forum on The PSP submitted, oha can I there only say, there must it but very code Beratung found having.
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integrally so was The thing then not. To jener Time were were eingene Domains not yet To pay for and it given a Profanhomepage with one this services, The Free Homepages with some few MB Webspace anboten. Mailing List and Forum there were there not. it given though with compuserve (outside the WWW) one Profan-Forum and later with AOL. (there came only Members ran.) the went as long as To the WWW and so the internet moreover verbreitete and these services your Tätigkeiten outside the internet einstellten. there was is then Sven Schmidts, of a erstes schlichtes Forum for Profangemeinde available set, the To 1998 active was. Later given Sven whom staff on jan moreover, the from this first Forums The PSP made. Since I here The Possibility saw, over this Forum and the about zeitgleich eingerichtete Mailing List my Support To improve, explained I these Forums to the official Profan-Supportwegen!
Greeting
Roland |
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RGH | [quote:1ebc35bd40=iF (!ReGeXiT)]
Boah, The here should the his? [...]
i want me Yes not großtun, but I program since my 8.Lebensjahr, and the PSP (if it because at all these is) sees me from How my first Gehversuche with PHP.
Well, I had hoped the it itself to the Description already circa little more dealt having.
Enttäuschter iF [/quote:1ebc35bd40]
means the, what You there in the Webarchiv see, has from the Optilk since not plenty with the PSP miserable. the lying but on the archive. unfortunately go into this automatically begot Archiven a great many Information, straight what construction and Appearance of Side affects, lost. The PSP was for your Time sure wegweisend and your end one ziemlicher wastage for Profan-world.
Greeting
Roland |
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