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René
Wagner
after I in one XPSE-Thread some testify found have, The me since geraumer Time too by the head weg, have I still time moreover decided, the whole here niederzuschreiben and a Discussion to start.

The problem: Profan missing a integrierte IDE/editor.

makes we time a Bestandsaufnahme:

the Profaneigene editor: works unfashionable, bid only grundsätzliche Opportunities the Quelltextbearbeitung.

PrfPad/XProfan-Writer: something modernere completions, bid some nice Additional tools (Prozedurlisten to that jumping z.B.), becomes though not any more taken care of, with which already with XPrf9 a couple Problemchen appear

XPrfEdit: bid hervorragende Approaches/ideas (finally is the Debugger from the editor out aufzurufen), it are missing only many things to Quelltextbearbeitung and unfortunately is there since Ner geraumen while too nothing more happens.

VWP2: of my know the first umfangreiche Fenstereditor, unfortunately becomes too it not any more taken care of.

Roko ObjectCreator: atm the well bulkiest editor, becomes moreover taken care of

FA ControlBuilder: is it since kurzem on the market, can I in the momentum not to weigh up, habn only short ausprobiert

what all 3 Fenstereditoren on the lane to kompletten IDE missing: The integrierte Quelltexteditor.

Profan Debugger: Stefan quick has now Yes a kostenpflichtige Version the Debuggers published, The for professionellen Profanprogrammierer very meaningfully his might.

so far to Bestandsaufnahme, now my opinion to the Topic:
minimum the erweiterte Profan Debugger must to that Standardumfang of Profan belong. One properly höherer Price for Full Version is there only just.

to that Topic editor/IDE ists already something tougher. The Integration the PrfPad as Profan-Standardeditor went Yes to hinten go (no Programmpflege More), so comes one on duration not further.
The interesting Programmer kriegt not even for good money a without Abstriche einsetzbare IDE. here's, there give I Christian and Dieter right, the dringendste Handlungsbedarf.
 
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CB
I have the entire XPIA-directory in DrofanXprofan 9 stand, The XPIA.exe means solely in DrofanXprofan 9XPIA
on it kanns not lying. have me in the interim The latest XPIA-Version (1.3) of Franks Homepage gotten. the changes unfortunately too nothing. The Linker seek in Drofan The XProfan.lib, and the have I on the whole Festplatte not.

Sincerely,
Christian

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I see it! the Freizeichen in the way power the Masm Perhaps a problem!
 
09/13/05  
 




Frank
Abbing
Hi,

Yes, space in Dateipfaden are for many Consolenprogramme with Parameters a problem. best terms You whom Ordner circa.
 
09/13/05  
 




Michael
Dell
Hi,

Have there strain first my nose plugged but the can eff. too as basis for ne PrfIDE herhalten.

RSEdit.dll. A Complete Text editor v1.0 (inkl. Source)
ASM (80x86)
Win95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP

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Salu Michael...

Hab zwar krumme Fieß awer dofir e' ecklich Gsicht! 
09/14/05  
 




CB
Frank Abbing
Hi,

Yes, space in Dateipfaden are for many Consolenprogramme with Parameters a problem. best terms You whom Ordner circa.


have I straight made - the wars!
Hattet your time again right

THX,
Christian
 
XProfan 8/9.1, Win XP, AMD 64/3200
09/14/05  
 



If I do not now strain with the next XPSE-Update engage would having my Sourceanzeiger already a Cursor - but Perhaps can the Yes someone other einproggen.

first of all must So one Cursor since.

salvo, iF.
 
09/14/05  
 




Frank
Abbing
be too busy. XPIA becomes straight of reason on renovated...
 
09/14/05  
 




StSchnell
Mhmm, amazing, amazing,
there writes David:
The Oberwitz is still to that example - the mr s.s. - the Hilfemacher - it ablehnt The Communityregeln To to accept because one copyright on the Posts lying. this is too derjenige the not creates The relevantesten XProfan-Internetseiten into Help aufzunehmen. And so someone power The Help? I find so plenty geduldete Inkompetenz can only to that actually and unbefriedigendem Result lead.
whether I regulate akzeptiere or not, this is my personal thing. These Page into Help aufzunehmen is a integrally small thing, however would it very helpful, if me this too time of/ one communicating would, particularly You David. Dass You from this Umständen Inkompetenz ableitest, thereby can I you though not help. Dass You The Help unbefriedigend find have You me never said, vorallendingen not whom specific Points.
in the countermove moreover however sales derjenige too yet software for XProfan which not even with XProfan - separate one Konkurenzprodukt - prepares watts. I fass me on head!
there's many Softwareprodukte for XProfan, The not XProfan prepares get: ProSpeed, XPSE. If you you therefore on whom head edge, have You a crowd To do.
there writes Frank:
too The decision, s.s. with the Help beauftragen, found I do not been successful. alone its advertisement fit me there not, one Copyrightvermerk inside the Textes would thoroughly enough been - the Splashscreen is utterly unangebracht.
in the whole XProfan-Help there no advertisement for me, except the Info as Co-Author. a Splash-Screen there were time in the Help-Control, but already long not any more. Roland has me To keinem Time orders The Help revise, that happened from disengaged Stücken. too You Frank have never your review on me directed, never too only a Info words or me written.
there writes David:
gives it in the XProfanhilfe a Rubrik finished XProfanprogramme / Erfolgreiche XProfanProgramme - where z.B. the Aufmotzer gelistet is? or believes your it'll such a Rubrik give? Höchstwarscheinlich can there any XProfan forever on it Waiting!
to date having it only (very) little geschafft, me ihren Input for Help available To to put. You David were never thereby, Why formulierst You here such Proposals?
Aaaber: in the countermove hereon could I bet the the by me to date not working Debugger the with nem Konkurenzprodukt develops watts - and €uros cost - of Author sure in the Help attend becomes or this at least in consideration pulled becomes. thereby is the XPSE-Debuggerfunktion lt. the most XProfan explicit effective - and XPSE is free.
Dass the Debugger with you not functions have You me to neither kund done. The externe Debugger is only yet component Help because Roland its Version into Help adopted has. where You The wisdom own, I The take of my Debuggers into XProfan-Help erwäge is me unclear.
there writes Frank:
in the Help existing too no Link on my software. this is Real sorry. what about me must iF utterly right give. The Help watts of jemandem prepares, the only its interests To represent shining. advertisement for its Own (kostenpflichtige) software power, instead of old Help-Error auszumerzen. there has Roland none good handle done...
here the same How with David too, no Info from you, no Why stay, quite nothing. which middle-aged Help-Error mean Thou? will be still finally konkret and lass me on Your know part having, so so did i a chance have The Error To correct.

now to that point: your schimpft, your reviled my Leistungen and your since unfair.
David and Frank, can your you present I therefore not any more in this Community active be, because here plenty on this plain so expires.
with all rather, pack you first on The Own nose before your others berated and guesses aufstellt, The with the reality not the least concern.
these a Community, here ought to really plenty over communication run out, but this is not the what your both here creates. sorry, sorry.
 
10/25/05  
 




RGH
Frank Abbing
Nochmal I.
in the Help existing too no Link on my software. this is Real sorry.


Hello Frank,
in the official Help XProfan go already since geraumer Time no left To strangers pages More indicated. there diving only the distribution (JDS) and my Page on. so should and becomes it too stay. (former was time differently, but since having itself some How Kindegartenkinder therefore brawled, who on which place auftaucht. so what make I do not with.)
and for with XProfan mitgelieferten Version the Debuggers of Stefan quick must one too nothing extra pay for. The is so fully funktionsfähig and disputed with me emerged.
Gleiches counts too for others on the Original-CD mitgelieferten extensions of XProfan-Users, weie z.B. a alternative IDE or the ROC.
what about me be anytime open and grateful for further Tools, The I künftigen XProfan-versions enclosing can or How in the entrapment the ROC or Debuggers same mitanstallieren can.
on it, that Stefan a erweiterte Version the Debuggers against payment anbietet, find I nothing verwerfliches. The with XProfan mitgelieferte Version is and remaining nevertheless without further Zusatzkosten fully useable.

Greeting
Roland
 
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if i remember rightly were You it Stephan which me his distrust expressed having because The regulate having you not suited. I have here on dringenstes Anraten these Regelseite introduced and not from self-interest - but if I me right erinner wars very the what You me at least indirect vorgeworfen had.

this is the only reason for your entschuldigtes are missing - because very since the was here no track from you. means nothing with can your you present I therefore not any more in this Community active be....


where You The wisdom own, I The take of my Debuggers into XProfan-Help erwäge is me unclear.

integrally simply - because You in this drop not Notes of Outer Waiting must - separate of integrally on my own points what itself heard.


...Help available To to put. You David were never thereby...

me wundert the you the wundert.


here the same How with David too, no Info from you, no Why stay, quite nothing.

there having well mehere people the feeling had the the Stephan his own lane goes. for this feeling has but nobody other as You provided Stephan. often ists rather something his To let - on the others Page can it verherende follow having if one its Hausaufgaben left lying can. it'll warscheinlich of many adopted the many many small items to the Hausaufgaben one Hilfemachers belong which itself however anscheinlich rather from the Leuz abwendet. so wirktest You nunmal .


will be still finally konkret and lass me on Your know part having, so so did i a chance have The Error To correct.

This will but not occur if unclear is whether You at all available stand or again because you what not fit heisse socks get.

look Stephan - I personally be still mere menschlich seen blos one blöder Programmer what about me my not zünisch or ironical! what me as human however likewise mark is my Gerechtigkeitssinn.

here would itself warscheinlich many forward if you The Possibility give would the whole Topic Help something interaktiver To style.

but Please circa heaven sake faith not that I here something write so the community in the Help appear - or Perhaps even the XPSE. In reality be I utterly not at all The Treibende strength which this a claim erhebt. but very therefore goes it - The people wonder itself the missing - alas this is not there - and then look tappt im dunkeln who power The the eigendlich - then reading tappt im dunkeln Stephan and count 17 and 4 together.

Insgesammt freue I still but the You now apparently whom Entschluß gefasst have you still the XProfan-Forum-Community To consecrate - but Please verwechsel not so that I what of it having could.

i want but too the You points the it - only an example - not me separate others noticed is - the any your XProfan-WebSites none Link to Community having. this is the Topic Stephans Aussenwirkung - what me warscheinlich more coldly can as others...

here in the Community is everything what with XProfan to do has Welcome. here there no whom likes I do not the kricht none Link or the talking I do not at mouth whom lass I left lying - and very the ists warscheinlich what these Page here of many privateren XProfanSeiten distinguish.

mist knows your the if one no end finds?

Ham we Hähne us now enough begackert?

@Roland: to that Topic Links in Help: I can you very well understand. Perhaps but differently: an Page in the Help WebRessourcen with alphabetischer Sort URLs ? Nu so ne idea...
 
10/25/05  
 




Frank
Abbing
Hi,


now to that point: your schimpft, your reviled my Leistungen and your since unfair.
David and Frank, can your you present I therefore not any more in this Community active be, because here plenty on this plain so expires.


Nana, the stops I now but for a prejudice! many others User are there with safety another opinion. The Community is of my opinion after a freundlicher, offener place for people, The the same hobby joins. not any more, but neither less.
what You as expires betitelst, is in reality candidness and Meinungsfreiheit.
I yourself likes too no Beleidigungen, and there would I as Admin here einschreiten. but who itself the Public with its Werken position, ought to already review tolerate can.

Stefan, I HABE your Debugger seinerzeit tested. walk does it but to date not. and the have I you too at least twice gemeldet. I can me not any more on whom detailed Wortlaut your Answer remind. by me kams so rüber How can I not understand, means mean ichs sooner not. thereafter I had no pleasure More.
unfortunately are me recent any Mails lost gone. Kanns means not any more raussuchen.

Fehlerhafte to put in the Help are of my Erachtens to such:


]with GoSub becomes to that Label s verzweigt. with Return GEHTS in the row to the GoSub moreover.

example:

Gosub Unterprogramm
End

Unterprogramm:
Print Unterprogramm
Return

its too possible a worth zurückzugeben. this is then in @$(0), @%(0), @&(0) and/or @!(0):

Gosub Unterprogramm
Print @$(0)
End

Unterprogramm:
Print Unterprogramm
Return OK


Hats rung?
And then go in almost all Sourcecodes still teh folks Klammeraffen to whom functions uses. must the really yet his? The latest Version, with the The Klammeraffen duty were, was of my Erachtens to Profan 4.5 or 5.0. now are we with 9...

i want really not your work on Help verunglimpfen, and naturally is you one Written-by-Vermerk in the Help self-evident permits. Übel aufgestossen is me but the mehrsekündige Spashscreen from Help Version 8. the had not his must. and the had Roland not to permit can.

Roland: what I meant, was one Verzeichniss all on the Profan-CD vorhandenen Tools and Utilities. the ought to still quick to create his. where still The Order alike is - Why not alphabethisch?
 
10/25/05  
 




RGH
Frank Abbing
Hi,
And then go in almost all Sourcecodes still teh folks Klammeraffen to whom functions uses. must the really yet his? The latest Version, with the The Klammeraffen duty were, was of my Erachtens to Profan 4.5 or 5.0. now are we with 9...


naturally can since Version 4.1 The Klammerraffen omit, must But not. These in manuals and Help the Übersichtlichkeit halber beizubehalten, was my decision. That Stefan this of my convention follows, is aale. naturally is it Geschmacksache, whether one The Klammeraffen übersichtlicher finds or not. These Discussion there were in a previous Forum already once and there tendierte a majority to that Klammeraffen. eshalb kept I tappt im dunkeln in manuals and Help.
what Error in the Help concerns: simply a Mail on me what about me will be tappt im dunkeln collect and with the next Version respect.

Frank Abbing
i want really not your work on Help verunglimpfen, and naturally is you one Written-by-Vermerk in the Help self-evident permits. Übel aufgestossen is me but the mehrsekündige Spashscreen from Help Version 8. the had not his must. and the had Roland not to permit can.


of my Wissens having The XProfan-Help never a Splashscreen. (in the serious: i'm not even famous, How one in a HLP-File a Splashscreen install could.) are You sure, that the from you looked Splashscreen in the XProfan-Help was???

Frank Abbing
Roland: what I meant, was one Verzeichniss all on the Profan-CD vorhandenen Tools and Utilities. the ought to still quick to create his. where still The Order alike is - Why not alphabethisch?


here would I say, that so a list not The Help heard. The list heard sooner into Readme-File the XProfan-CD. The could in this Hinsicht something detail his, Perhaps even a Own Helpfile. i'll above cogitate. otherwise finds Yes eachone XProfan - so hope I - over The offizielle XProfan-Page too any others pages. straight The hiesige XProfan-Community is Yes over The Forums-Page directly verlinkt.

Greeting
Roland
 
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10/25/05  
 




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