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but the You a Platine produce can is quite interestingly, I had gladly something but kanns not produce...
One "Gerät?"The I a small computer (z.B. RS232 over USB) infect can and on a Autobatterie, which several (32?!) vigorously Gleichstrommotoren gesteuert with COM-Port-command geschwindigkeitsfreiwählbar turn/turn can.
have You a plan, what To do would?  |
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Thomas
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| Gruß Thomas
Windows XP SP2, XProfan X2 | 08/01/09 ▲ |
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Stefan
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Caillet | Hello iF, a (chiding)-plan moreover Have I do not ready in the Schublade lying, but since I in digitaltechnik auskenne, can I this thoroughly umsetzen. goes though not of today on tommorrow. If you want, can I me dransetzen, one entsprechendes interface To design. Bräuchte moreover but yet following indicated: should The Motoren only in a or in both directions turn? what position You you under "kleiner Computer"vor? should the "kleine Computer" to control the Motoren in Echtzeit serve, or willsst You so Bewegungs-follow program, and then in the unit Save? (would a Own CPU in the unit require!). If I any Info have. I will you gladly so one unit design, and on wish too building,what so one interface cost would, can I you first say, if I whom Schaltplan designed have, asserdem depends the Price yet from the Stromaufnahme the Motoren (or the maximum erforderlichen performance the Motortreiber), as well as of it, whether The Motoren in a, or in both directions turn must.
Sag me very, what You need. Perhaps by PM?
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| Ich habe grosses Glück, weil ich Mitmenschen helfen darf.
Entwicklungsumgebung:
XProfan11 , Win XP Pro 32Bit , Win XP Home ,Win7 HomePremium 64Bit
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| gladly by PM, gladly but here as long as it _Dich not disturbing.
gladly give I you any indicated, i'm now already happy!
Motoren should in both directions turn can, that is me very important and that The speed adjustable is.
Control results only over the computer, means no CPU necessary and no memory for Bewegungsabläufe.
The Motoren should possible vigorously his and the unit must neither absolutely for care, that The (by com-Port-commands) angewiesene speed eingehalten becomes.
in the rule should only 2 To 3 Motoren to same Time in pursued his but too 10 should possible his, then even with geteilter strength. (Can single Motoren later through Hydraulikpumpen supplant?) |
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Stefan
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Caillet | Ne, disturbing me not, ifs here happens.
Hydraulikpumpen wären no trouble, though müssten then The suitable exits for a Drehrichtung blocked go, there not recommendable is, ne Hydraulikpumpe verkehrtherum walk To let. its but too imaginable, zb. 24 the 32 Motorausgänge for two Drehrichtungen auszulegen, and 8 exits only for a Drehrichtung. what whom Stromverbrauch the possible strong Motoren anbelangt: if no allzuhohen Drehzahlen necessary are, wären gear-Motoren a real alternative, there itself so The Stromaufnahme the Motoren drastisch lower can. around the Leistungsstufen To dimmensionieren should I know, whatever these Motoren How quick To moving having.
Stefan |
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| Ich habe grosses Glück, weil ich Mitmenschen helfen darf.
Entwicklungsumgebung:
XProfan11 , Win XP Pro 32Bit , Win XP Home ,Win7 HomePremium 64Bit
PC: P4/3GHz , 2GB RAM , 1700GB HD
Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo /2,2GHz , 4GB RAM , 500GB HD | 08/01/09 ▲ |
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| Ah, understand - Getriebemotoren are means The Effizienten from the Truppe.
I knows not whether it makes sense, that in PS or. KW anzugeben, means 4 Motoren ca. in the size, that they a (35cm) Ballonreifen prompt of a 40KG-Mondfahrzeug with max. 8KM/h, with slower rad if possible very nice.
6 others could only one Drittel so tall his, from the Antriebsmotoren should but too 6 present his even if only 4 for urged on used go - Perhaps would the a good beginning with 12 Motoren.
too small Motoren should very slow turn but very vigorously. |
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Detlef
Tussing | The Schaltplan would me too interessiern.
About USB have so did i already plenty geschaltet and gesteuert, but yet never geregelt. |
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| Gruß Detlef Tussing
Windows XP, XProfan 10 | 08/01/09 ▲ |
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Stefan
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Caillet | Sorry, I so late answer, but we'd yesterday saturday the 1. august hîer in the switzerland our Nationalfeiertag, and there wished I dabeisein. it was Real beautiful, again what with my woman To venture, and we're even first to dwell come.
@iF: OK, habs now understands. now Have I ne Base, from the from I calculate and Komponenten tile can. therefore, that You durchwegs right niedrige Drehzahlen, but plenty Power benötigst are gear-Motoren and/or partly too Untersetzungen through Zahnriemen unabdingbar, but too on the effektivsten. there are feinfühlige Regelungen right well To manage. will be you one entsprechendes concept design
@Detlef: Perhaps can You me of your Experience with the chid and steer over USB report. have You The Steuer-Progs in Profan/XProfan written? If Yes, can You me thereby sure time whom a or others hint give. what about me will be you gladly with a Schaltplan help, the aufzeigt, as Motoren geregelt go can.
I need though one par weeks, I The Schaltpläne not only draw, separate The entspr. Sektionen building and debug/optimize will be. thereafter arise first the final Schaltplan.
what I now already knows, is, that The regulation of 0 on 100% in small levels results. I z.B. yet detect must is, whether 64 level already nice enough are, or whether I 128 levels need. this can I but only with a gear-motor under realitätsnaher Last, as well as too with zero-Last, to determine. 64 levels hätten Schaltungs- and software-technical a conscience benefit. More control with kleinerem hoisted.
i'll now then my plan(ungs)-hirn time in pursued settle. (has to Time sowiso something Langeweile!) 
Stefan |
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| Ich habe grosses Glück, weil ich Mitmenschen helfen darf.
Entwicklungsumgebung:
XProfan11 , Win XP Pro 32Bit , Win XP Home ,Win7 HomePremium 64Bit
PC: P4/3GHz , 2GB RAM , 1700GB HD
Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo /2,2GHz , 4GB RAM , 500GB HD | 08/02/09 ▲ |
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| Stefan M. Caillet, Beitrag=53654, Zeitpunkt=02.08.2009
@iF: OK, habs now understands. now Have I ne Base, from the from I calculate and Komponenten tile can. therefore, that You durchwegs right niedrige Drehzahlen, but plenty Power benötigst are gear-Motoren and/or partly too Untersetzungen through Zahnriemen unabdingbar, but too on the effektivsten. there are feinfühlige Regelungen right well To manage. will be you one entsprechendes concept design
Huch, too time pleasantly right useless To his.
Stefan M. Caillet, Beitrag=53654, Zeitpunkt=02.08.2009
@Detlef: Perhaps can You me of your Experience with the chid and steer over USB report. have You The Steuer-Progs in Profan/XProfan written?
For this, vlt. yet the Info, that to nächstem XPSE-Update too to some differently walk could as it bisherig with XProfan and com-Port-Spielereien the case was, simply because then too with nativer speed worked go can and vlt. yet because of a couple another advantages. I freu me gewissermassen multiple over the next Update but integrally particularly above, that You something with my unwirklichen completions begin can.  |
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Stefan
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Caillet |
Huch, too time pleasantly right useless To his.
iF, I fürchte, there irrst You yourself, because i want you very into proposition include, and need for many decisions, The the Grundkonzept concern, your Mittarbeit and opinion, ultimately are You the poor fellow, the the Moonbuggy schlussendlich building, and the programs write must. 
have You short Time? .... OK. then try we times the Base to create:
1. what me yet against come would would, if you time ne crude Skizze create could, The the undercarriage and to Possibility too others Motorgetriebenen functions shows. These Skizze should I at your earliest convenience having. (helps me unteranderem the interface with so many Kanälen auszulegen How necessary, plus spare, without thereby over target hinauszuschiessen.
2. there's 2 fundamental Opportunities the Datenübertragun to the Motoren:
a) The software self-addressed whom motor, the straight a its status Change should, and says it thereafter, How the new status his should. The motor verbleibt now in this status To it eirneut with of/ one Statusänderung orders becomes.
benefit: Direkter, sofortiger, random Access to each motor. the interface need not very good quick To his, there it The meiste Time nothing other does, as To Waiting, To the Status Motors changed go must. gleices counts for Steuer-software, The only During low Ner Statusänderung the interface address must,
disadvantage: the interface becomes some aufwändiger, there it itself for each motor whom status remember must. something slower reaction, if several Motoren at the same time ihren status Change should!
b) The Übermittlung the data happens simultan as pkg for all Motoren at the same time, as it The Funkfernsteuerungen for RC-models make, with the Difference, that not Pulslängen signals, separate byte-values übermittelt go. thereby becomes each one Set with sovielen Bytes How the interface Ausgange has, transfer, thereafter a short interval, The to Syncronisation used becomes, and then follows the next Set. The Sets go ca 50 Sets/sec. transfer, by which a high Steuer- unnd Reaktions-speed allows becomes.
benefit: high Steuergeschwindigkeit, high reaction time, because of the simple Übertragungsart of only 1 byte/motor simple hardware in the interface, with erhötem Function-tender, there so too The Possibility given would, Handelsübliche Modellbau-Servos and -Switches u.Ä. anzuschlissen.
disadvantage: the interface and the software must right Fix his (evt. Paketvorbereitung in Assambler od C++ must yet testing whether XProfan quick enough is). Aufwändigere software, The the interface dauernd and regelmässig with data keeps, also yet something zeitkritisch is, ought to however possible his, sofern the computer During low it the Moonbuggy piloting not too yet umfangreiche load/save Operationen, or Druckaufträge executing.
If with b) some Time no Datenübertragung results, would The Motoren automatically turn off. with a) would any Motoren simply whom status keep, whom tappt im dunkeln straight having, unless, one would one kontrollBeyte bring into action, the the interface in conscience Zeitabständen says, that the computer yet "lebt".
means iF, now is your opinion demand: interface to a) or b)?
if You think, the it possible is 50x/sec. 32Bytes (Spinnedits/regulator etc.Softwaremässig abzufragen and over The interface To Send, and thereby too yet Changes the regulator and Spins darzustellen/update would I b) vorziehen.
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Entwicklungsumgebung:
XProfan11 , Win XP Pro 32Bit , Win XP Home ,Win7 HomePremium 64Bit
PC: P4/3GHz , 2GB RAM , 1700GB HD
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| Hello Stefan, be thereby!
Variante B ists, which I well need - one Thread should The Motoren on Geschwindikeit hold, "ein" another Thread rechnet. falls The CPU from so should means The Motoren "anhalten", too to general Umgebungssicherheit.
The Computergeschwindigkeit is not, which me "Sorgen" bereitet, sooner I no Experience in the Use with the COM-Port have, quite with USB-com-Port. If this 50xSec The Sets (for yet 12 Motoren) transfer can, then would it Yes perfect.
what the program then concerns so becomes this in XProfan + XPSE written, runs then in assembler-Geschwindikeit ex and the Source stell I open.
Specifically into next 3 weeks ex wednesday be I do not in the land, but nevertheless (almost) daily here online - stand means nevertheless available.
an Skizze finished I and poste these if ready. (ought to I these with a special Program create or "reicht" a lay?) |
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